i’m not sure i would put brienne in this category honestly (or arya, but brienne more so), but i agree that grrm has a semi-simplistic view of misfits vs cool kids and that comes through a lot in the “True Starks” vs “Tullyish Starks” sigh
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that Brienne is someone that the narrative suggests that other people should apologize to, the way it seems to with Tyrion and Jon (IMO), but neither does she have a lot of apologizing to do. When she aqnd Arya and Asha make mistakes, they’re “just” tactical errors, they don’t really seem to reflect poorly on their character. With Sansa, Cat and Arianne, I think it’s different. Dany makes the kind of mistakes that I think would qualify as reflecting poorly on character, but her victims so to speak are all non-POV’s (and eastern?) so it doesn’t bother anyone as much.
Oh, what I was getting at more with Brienne is that I think Brienne is characterized as being a lot more naive relative to other young(ish) adults—in the “sheltered, arrogant popular kid” vs “wiser, more cynical unpopular kid” dichotomy you’re referring to that GRRM falls into, Brienne’s a little hard to classify in the same category as Jon and Arya and Tyrion, because while all of the latter three make mistakes and have major areas of naivete, they ARE kind of set up as nonconformist voices of reason. Whereas Brienne’s virtuous and brave and talented, to be sure, but she has the kind of embarrassing limerent crush on Renly that is way more characteristic of Sansa than Arya and the kind of innocently rigid moral code people are always accusing Ned of (she’s much YOUNGER than Ned, mind, so that doesn’t reflect poorly on her). What I mean is—I think Brienne’s set up as way more naive, and even sometimes unflatteringly naive, than the rest of the people in that category.
That’s not to say that GRRM doesn’t have a characterization trend of favoring these heroic misfits (Lyanna in absentia!) over people who’ve learned to function more conventionally; I just disagree that Brienne is in the same favoritism-to-the-point-of-flattening category as Dany and Jon and Tyrion. Not that she’s not an authorial favorite, obvs, but she gets to be…… uncool more with her character flaws, a la Sansa. Not to Sansa’s EXTENT, but still.
Once you get this you have to say 5 nice things about yourself publicly and then tag ten of your favorite followers. Thinking good thoughts about yourself is hard, but it will make you feel better. So it give it a go for the sake of spreading positivity!
dkslajf veit.. ;u;
I’m pretty easygoing. I know how to pick my battles.
I don’t dismiss my skills. Just because I can’t do this now, doesn’t mean I won’t eventually be able to ever.
I have a great sense of humor????? about myself?? and life in general.
i can send professional emails/letters and make business phone calls on the spot without being nervous. I actually enjoy it to some degree;;;;
THIS WAS ACTUALLY HARDER THAN I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE?
I’m very optimistic even at the worst of times!
I’m hesitant to say I have fine sense of the ridiculous but I’m pretty good at sensing the line between stupid and insanity and if there’s even the remote chance to make something so ridiculous it’s hilarious, I’ll sure as hell go there.
I have really pretty hair that I’m proud of.
I have a loving family and great friends and make it my goal to be great back to them too.
I’m open to new experiences. I won’t let fear hold me back from having a good time with someone I just met or doing something scary or unexpected.
and uhhh I’m kind of late so I TAG ANYONE WHO HASN’T DONE IT YET.
oh fuck tanya tagged me too WHOOPS
I’M HILARIOUS which is to say, i am easily entertained, so i make myself laugh all the time, and sometimes other people laugh too.
i’m a stubborn fuck and don’t stop doing things that are important to me just because they’re hard or make me sad.
i’m good with my hands and pick up new physical tasks quickly!
I, TOO, HAVE GOOD HAIR.
i’ve managed to amass around me a wonderful bunch of people i care about + who care about me + that is one of the best things i have ever, ever done.
i’m humble (ha)
i like the way i think
i have a good memory
i try to see things from perspectives other than my own
i try not to do things that actively inconvenience me just because i feel like i should
1. i’m curious; i put a lot of active effort into learning and expanding my horizons 2. i force myself to do things i’m afraid of, which is good because i’m afraid of everything 3. i’m not quick to real anger and i dislike raising my voice 4. i’m cool under serious pressure 5. i am genuinely willing to change my mind
i haven’t been in a major rush to read the rest of the series either, which makes me sad because i do enjoy it.
yeah i know that weird zone, i’m in it for a lot of things too—the “oh, that was nice, i guess i’ll get around to the rest of it” graveyard of books. me + the new vorkosigans, for instance, so i’m almost relieved to hear they’re bad. relieves pressure
oh wait google says they might be lymond’s characters?
skgsdlkjgsd YES you are not mistaken, the crawfords in question are the main character of the series (francis crawford, ‘lymond’ is more of a style after his lands) and his elder brother richard, and with the judgmental eyes of gogol and emma and the heavens upon me, i will leave it at that. O:D
(no no, really, google avails you correctly! we were implicitly comparing eugenides and francis crawford of lymond, which is like comparing imo a not-quite-convincing vegan cheesecake with a mcdonalds oreo mcflurry)
a) yes it does b) WOULD THAT EDDIS HAD GONE THAT ROUTE??? or that we ever got an eddis book cough cough stares at sophos malignantly
i remember that in like 2004, an older (read: college-aged) friend of mine made some comment about how richard mayhew of neverwhere was “one of those delightful understated protagonists that only gaiman writes” and i remember thinking, wait a minute, richard mayhew doesn’t have a goddamned personality. none of neil gaiman’s main characters except morpheus have a personality. the emperor has no personality wake up. but i doubted myself because i was 14, maybe i was missing something understated and poignant.
well, now time has vindicated me and i think we can all agree richard mayhew doesn’t have a personality. and that is how i feel about like 6/10 of the characters in the queen’s thief, including eddis
No, I love King of Attolia, but if you hated the other two for containing no plot, hoo boy are you going to hate this one.
Hey, I haven’t hated the first two Queen’s Thief books, I just thought they were overrated and underdeveloped (and to be fair, The Thief does have a plot, if nothing else). But actually the pacing and plot issues weren’t my main problems there, they just left a void where there could’ve been diversions to distract me from my main problems! (That being said, if I abandoned absolutely everything that underwhelmed me, that would make for a lot of unsatisfied curiosity.)
I LIKED IT in that weird old sword and sorcery way; well, I liked “Black God’s Kiss” and “Hellsgarde” with the caveat that anyone who picks up this genre and period surely gets what they pay for, in several ways. ”The Black Land” wasn’t bad either.
Jirel of Joiry by C.L. Moore Lady Churchill’s Rosebud Wristlet 29 ed. Kelly Link and Gavin J. Grant The Demolished Man by Alfred Bester Glass, Irony & God by Anne Carson The Empathy Exams by Leslie Jamison The King Must Die by Mary Renault Through the Woods by Emily Carroll Granta 127 ed. Yuka Igarashi
The Blank Slate by Steven Pinker (why) The King of Attolia by Megan Whalen Turner
“VALENTINE: If you knew the algorithm and fed it back say ten thousand times, each time there’d be a dot somewhere on the screen. You’d never know where to expect the next dot. But gradually you’d start to see this shape, because every dot will be inside the shape of this leaf. It wouldn’t be a leaf, it would be a mathematical object. But yes. The unpredictable and the predetermined unfold together to make everything the way it is. It’s how nature creates itself, on every scale, the snowflake and the snowstorm. It makes me so happy. To be at the beginning again, knowing almost nothing. People were talking about the end of physics. Relativity and quantum looked as if they were going to clean out the whole problem between them. A theory of everything But they only explained the very big and the very small. The universe, the elementary particles. The ordinary-sized stuff which is our lives, the things people write poetry about - clouds -daffodils - waterfalls - and what happens in a cup of coffee when the cream goes in - these things are full of mystery, as mysterious to us as the heavens were to the Greeks. We’re better at predicting events at the edge of the galaxy or inside the nucleus of an atom than whether it’ll rain on auntie’s garden party three Sundays from now. Because the problem turns out to be different. We can’t even predict the next drip from a dripping tap when it gets irregular. Each drip sets up the conditions for the next, the smallest variation blows prediction apart, and the weather is unpredictable the same way, will always be unpredictable. When you push the numbers through the computer you can see it on the screen. The future is disorder. A door like this has cracked open five or six times since we got up on our hind legs. It’s the best possible time to be alive, when almost everything you thought you knew is wrong.”—tom stoppard, arcadia
The next time anyone tells you that musicals are terrible nowadays because they’re all adaptations of movies or whatever, send them to look at the first ten Tony Award winners:
Kiss Me, Kate: based on The Taming of the Shrew
South Pacific: based on a book by James Michener
Guys and Dolls: based on short stories by Damon Runyon
The King and I: based on a novel based on the memoirs of Anna Leonowens
Wonderful Town: based on a play based on short stories by Ruth McKenney
Kismet: based on a play by Edward Knoblock
The Pajama Game: based on a novel by Richard Bissell
Damn Yankees: based on a novel by Douglass Wallop, which is a retelling of Faust
My Fair Lady: based on a play by George Bernard Shaw
The Music Man: an original story, based on the writer’s childhood
So that’s NINE OUT OF TEN based on previous works. I find this FASCINATING.
It’s a fair observation, but I think most who casually grouse about the plethora of movie-based musicals on Broadway nowadays are less annoyed about adaptations at all than they are specifically about adaptations of existing Hollywood properties, though they may not verbalize it in that precise way. Like: movie-based musicals aren’t ‘just’ adapting something, they’re counting on most of their audience to be very familiar with the original (often recent) work—My Fair Lady doesn’t have the same marketing and financial relationship with Pygmalion that the Legally Blonde musical does with Legally Blonde, in that My Fair Lady was a popular adaptation mostly intended for people who didn’t care about Pygmalion.
The complaint’s often in the same breath as complaints about jukebox musicals—basically an accusation that Broadway’s gotten obsessed with name recognition and and current pop franchises that are already proven to sell. I dunno if it’s made anything better or worse per se (like 80% of musicals have always been godawful, come on) but in terms of conception and business significance, there is a difference between Guys and Dolls and Billy Elliott.
Basically Broadway is always struggling these days to fill expensive seats and find the x factor that lures in tourists, and if that’s a ten-year run of Mamma Mia then that’s a ten-year run of Mamma Mia. :O
“We live in an age where we feel guilt whenever we have to cut someone off but the reality is that some relationships do need to die, some people do need to be unfollowed and defriended. We aren’t meant to be this tethered to the people in our past. The Internet mandates that we don’t burn bridges and keep everyone around like relics but those expectations are unrealistic and unhealthy. Simply put, we don’t need to know what everyone else is up to. We’re allowed to be choosy about who we surround ourselves with online and in real life, even if it might hurt people’s feelings.”—Ryan O’Connell, You Don’t Have To Be Friends With Everybody